international day of action against climate change and the G8 has been called by the international rising tide network. this is a call for autonomous, decentralised actions appropriate to our city in solidarity with those resisting the G8 in Germany and in resistance to all the G8 represents, its continued reliance of oil burning and oil wars.
In Bristol there will be a meeting at Kebele, 14 Robertson Road on Tuesady 29th May 7.30pm May to get together with everyone who wants to plan for the Friday 8th June. The intention is for this to be a solidarity action not just a rising tide action.
There will be flyers announcing this at Kebele, if you can distribute (they are post cards that say Offset This). Pass this on.
Its not a good idea that such important initiatives and actions should be centred in kebele, most people that I know who are desperately wanting to do something about global-warming dont like kebele.
Climate activists in Bristol tend to be exclusive rather than inclusive. This is crazy. We need a mass movement not a group of people who just like to party with each other.
Given the extreme threat to all life on earth facing us all right now thanks to global warming and its inevitable effects, it is imperative that all people everywhere are engaged with, and as many as possible "activated" as a matter of urgency.
Kebele has a serious credibility problem, this must be faced up to, otherwise to run such a serious campaign from Kebele risks alienating a lot of people.
That would be counter-productive.
Recently a young Kebele person ran a fund-raising campaign to cycle around the far-east, but then took a long-haul flight to do it!
The two posts above are depressing, almost as if this event and Kebele were the issue and not climate change! Come on people! This event is important as all events to stop climate change are. If you don't like the way it is being done, or Kebele are doing things, put your energy into creating alternatives and not complaining about those who are trying.
ok, three people already have voiced their extreme concern for the climate but are put off by Kebele... START YOUR OWN GROUP. fucking amchair activists will always look for reasons not to get involved. Kebele is a BUILDING. during BRT it is usually empty apart from the meeting anyway. jeez, what's the problem?
BRT seems to be the only group in Bristol taking direct action on climate change issues. If we're to do anything about climate change we need 100 groups fighting in every city. Not one big "mass" group. Mass politics dilutes, disempowers, and destroys dissent.
As for Kebele, it seems to be going in the right direction these days. They're more outward-looking and offering far more events which benefit the local community. seems like there's a lot of non-specific slagging off of kebele on here. bitter sectarians maybe? Name another free venue (that doesn't sell alcohol)?
PS David - get over it, you're not part of BRT. No amount of slagging it off is going to distract from the reasons you're not part of it.
Man-made Global-warming is the biggest issue of all time!
Kebele-istas do not take it anything like seriously enough.
Check the related link.
At the very least they are naively ignorant of the seriousness of the current environmental situation, at worst they are corrupt, or could it be they are just stupid?
How else do you explain what is contained within the related link?
Kebele activists, for whatever reason, cannot be trusted with anything so serious.
Not only are you lot guilty of sexing up your own ideas and notions as to what CC is all about! (Read the real science not the hype) but you could not organise a proverbial p*ss up in a brewery.
Your constant bleating about a catastrophe just around the corner has and does let people see you for the needy nerds you are. You have made CC your new "religion" and the gut feeling of most is that your fanaticism is misplaced.
If you really want to be sidelined in the adult debate on the problem I suggest you carry on exactly as you are on here. Namely:-
Overstating the problem
Arguing amongst yourselves
Alienating the vast majority of the population
Ignoring sensible debate because you truck no dissenters!
I have only one request that I ask of people reading these comments - come to kebele youself and make your OWN mind up, don't simply take the word of anonymous posters......
See www.kebelecoop.org for details about whats on, or look at the calender on indymedia.
As for 'kebele can't be trusted to put on an event like this' ..... I don't want to get on my high horse TOO much but we have put on a lot of events that needed a lot more 'trust' than this, very succesfully, and will continue to do so :-)
Kebele rents out space to anyone with a good heart and good intentions (including those who organise bike rides in far away places to raise money for the terrence higgins trust!), so the G8 action group would be more than welcome if they chose Kebele as a venue. If not - good luck and solidarity anyway, and I'm sure a lot of us Kebelians as individuals will still be involved (whether the anti-Kebele mob like it or not!)
of course kebele has "credibility problems", doesn't everyone and every group? kebele is a space for people to use, not a campaigning group itself. I doubt the "credibility" of flying to the other side of the world to fundraise for THT, of course THT and everyone should be concerned with the environment and the mess we've got ourselves in. On the other hand, I'm sure THT would doubt the "credibility" of other groups who don't encourage an awareness of sexual health. Engagement is good.
As for BRT, should they refuse to use Kebele because one person (who is definitely not part of the usual kebele crowd) put an event on there that involved flying? What other venues are there? Let's see, should they meet in the council house? nope, far too expensive. Never mind the numerous business meetings held there.
How about a Church? Well, apart from the fact that the minister has probably taken more flights in the last year than the entire kebele core combined, where should I start on the problems religion has caused?
Get a grip. Be critical, of course.
But what are you doing? Switch off your computer and get down to some real politics, face to face, eyeball to eyeball.
It is profoundly depressing to see people, who, give or take a little, broadly agree, spending so much energy attacking fellow travelers. One of the few advantages of the world being in such a mess is there is no shortage of opportunities for action. There exists more than enough people, approaches, tactics and energy for everyone to take on the issue of climate change in the best way they see fit – and what's more they don't need to rubbish other groups to take action – nobody has a monopoly on global warming campaigning.
The time spent writing a post to complain at one group, is time that could be spent organising a new group. Words spent rubbishing one individual are words that could be spent making a new alliance.
See Mr.Hammond rubbing his hands in glee at people who care about the environment slugging it out with each other? What a great use of our energy, Not.
For the record, I went to the event hosted by Kebele on Tuesday night on Oaxaca, it was a very well attended affair with loads of good information and a great vibe; a room crammed full of people committed, with many different approaches apparent, to positive social change. Credit to Kebele for that event.
Kebele is only, and will only ever be, the sum of those to take part. One event you might not agree with is not the whole project, just as one person is not a group and one approach is not the whole issue.
I am an IT professional, I write the code for a company that produces computer games, there are millions of people, playing the games here in the first world, that I helped create.
Up until recently I thought of myself as an activist and an anarchist, and I would attend every protest and demo, meeting and action I could find.
Global-warming / climate-change is the BIG ONE as far as we should all be concerned, but its got me thinking about my own hypocrisy and parasitism.
My question is this: creating games for rich (by whole-world standards) consumers to waste time with playing games. how can I seriously call myself a part of the solution and get involved with campaigning against climate-change?
If I think about the amount of first-world time and energy thats goes into just the playing of 'my' games, I feel utterly hypocritical and even parasitic at the thought, should I stop calling myself an activist-anarchist?or should I give up my very well-paid job which pays my mortgage?
How can I seriously hope to influence anybody else about the dangers of global-warming whilst I am getting paid a lot of money for enabling loads of people consume massively?
What should I do?
I would do anything to stop being the hypocrite and parasite I have become!
My advice is to remove yourself from the system that is causing Global Warming as much as possible but this is no easy thing to do! Our whole civilization for the past 500 years or so has been building up to this moment, so 'the system' includes just about every aspect of Western culture/modernity. That's: the way we think, the way we communicate, our relationships and how we exploit nature, the world and each other! I used to work in TV production but I would never go back to that because the media is so implicated in the present world system. All we can do is get together with like minded people and try to change the system but its not easy. Getting used to having less money and less 'stuff' is a good thing. I have found that 'less is more' because it frees you up to do better things with your time.
Clive makes a good point. There is a clear choice facing all of us, right now. We can continue with the capitalist system and destroy the earth via Global Warming or we can invent new ways of living together. Capitalism is based on the unlimited exploitation of natural resources and people. The real cost of this exploitation is never included in the price, as money is just an abstraction. What is real is that we have 10 years (max) to end the present course of industrial modernity or we will have no future left on planet earth. So if you want 10 -20 years of making more money to pay the mortgage, stay in your job and live in 'Clive Hamond's
World' .... or join the growing numbers of people all over the world who seek the end of capitalism and the birth of a new civilization.
People who pretend you can make money out of Global Warming are evil.
David Rose - suggesting in no uncertain terms the destruction of the political system that has defeated fascism, and communism.
A system of government that fought for the right of individuals such as David Rose to be able to stand up and say what he does!
Reflect on your life expectancy, David had you been an "activist" in 1930's and 40's Nazi Germany or Post war Soviet Russia up until the inevitable decline and decimation of that deeply flawed system of government.
And whatever the deeply flawed rationale for the Iraq war - you cannot deny that Saddam was a truly horrific Dictator - just ask the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs!
And now David - we see your true colours!
How wonderful for you to admit at last to us all that your spiteful and flawed diatribe against vehicles with AWD is actually driven by your fear that in what is basically a meritocracy (I say basically as we still have Phoney Care as PM) - you would fail at the first hurdle!
At last with one sweeping statement on here we see that it is not the vehicles that you despise - it is the drivers of said vehicles because presumably, you see these as successful and you don't like success in other people do you?
You find it unsettling - even frightening I would imagine.
Firstly I would point out (tactfully - and this is rare for me!) that I think you are wrong to assume that there are just two distinct choices.
The silly doom and gloom merchants such as David Rose would try to convince you that we only have 10 years to live if we carry on as before.
Could I suggest that you read the adjacent threads were I point out that 35years ago the same group of "experts" were predicting we were all going to die of Global Cooling!
Well we are still here!
There are lots of recent publications stating that these doom and gloom merchants are overstating the problem. Individuals such as David Rose have by his own admission clearly stated that we need to destroy society as we know it.
And replace it with what exactly?
I quote
"We can continue with the capitalist system and destroy the earth via Global Warming or we can invent new ways of living together. Capitalism is based on the unlimited exploitation of natural resources and people. The real cost of this exploitation is never included in the price, as money is just an abstraction. What is real is that we have 10 years (max) to end the present course of industrial modernity or we will have no future left on planet earth. So if you want 10 -20 years of making more money to pay the mortgage, stay in your job and live in 'Clive Hammond's World' .... or join the growing numbers of people all over the world who seek the end of capitalism and the birth of a new civilization.
People who pretend you can make money out of Global Warming are evil.
So people like Jeremy Leggett who use there intelligence and dynamic personalities to develop green technology are "evil" are they????
Well according to David Rose they are!
And that is nonsense!
Because if Solar power can be improved and made more efficient - and that is happening every day! - then both we in the West and the "poorer" nations can benefit from clean energy.
So we will not have to live in the utopian Mud Hut society David Rose obviously wants. Neither will African nations be subjected to yet more poverty because David Rose and his cronies believe that being poor and without electricity is somehow good for them.
So what is my philosophy?
Be as "green" as possible.
We recycle as much as we can
My wife and I do not like airports so we do not fly much - we have caravan to holiday in the UK
I have a 4x4 to tow it safely. (so in David Roses’ eyes I am a Planet Destroyer!)
My vehicle that I use for towing is LPG powered
My caravan is British - built in Bristol and is made from natural wood in the main. Other cheaper caravans from abroad in the main are made from vast amounts of plastic - NOT good for the environment.
Lastly - keep an open mind!
Do your own research - man and animals have been influencing the earth’s climate from day one.
The herbivore that eats grass farts methane
Every aerobic being consumes O2 and excretes CO2. CO2 is absorbed by plants and converted to complex hydrocarbons via Photosynthesis.
So when you see the EU advocating the use of more Bio-diesel remember that the natural habitat in the world destroyed to grow the Soya crop to make the stuff to satisfy the numpty quota set by idiot politicians is irreplaceable.
The options are not either or.
David and the other numptys on here are guilty of “sexing” up the facts to enable them to pander to their prejudice.
hi,
i have been involved with bristol rising tide since i went to the climate camp last september, which was inspirational and a serious wake-up call for me personally. the group was set up as an attempt to bring back home the energy and engagement we found in the camp. its a small-ish group that is still finding its way, although we have been very active on several fronts. none of us is under any illusions about our own importance and power - the scale of the issue is massive. it has been interesting, difficult, inspiring and frustrating. lots of things we could have done better. maybe we would have done better if the people who posted criticisms had instead come to one of our publicly advertised meetings with their criticism and a proposal for a better way of doing things.
the next meeting is on june 4th at 7:30pm at kebele.
if the venue is a problem for some people then by all means set up another group and i will come to your meetings and events. i am not a kebele-ista, whatever that means. this is the only climate change direct action group in bristol that i know of.
besides there not being any other groups active on this front in bristol, also i like being part of the rising tide network. i have never been an environmentalist and im still not. rising tide groups share the perspective that climate change is a social issue that transcends the category of "environmentalism" because of its massive and wide-ranging impacts on every sphere of human life. and it is a huge social justice issue because it is caused predominantly by wealthy countries and individuals and the consequences will mostly be experienced by poorer nations and people.
the next climate camp will be near heathrow airport in london from august 14th-21st. http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/.
i would invite everyone to come and get involved. we are all in this one together.
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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22Its not a good idea that such important initiatives and actions should be centred in kebele, most people that I know who are desperately wanting to do something about global-warming dont like kebele.
Here is the flyer for the June 8th Day of Action. Have a look, its good. Print some out and distribute them if you want...
Offset This! flyer
Offset This! flyer (back page)
Climate activists in Bristol tend to be exclusive rather than inclusive. This is crazy. We need a mass movement not a group of people who just like to party with each other.
Given the extreme threat to all life on earth facing us all right now thanks to global warming and its inevitable effects, it is imperative that all people everywhere are engaged with, and as many as possible "activated" as a matter of urgency.
Kebele has a serious credibility problem, this must be faced up to, otherwise to run such a serious campaign from Kebele risks alienating a lot of people.
That would be counter-productive.
Recently a young Kebele person ran a fund-raising campaign to cycle around the far-east, but then took a long-haul flight to do it!
MADNESS!
The two posts above are depressing, almost as if this event and Kebele were the issue and not climate change! Come on people! This event is important as all events to stop climate change are. If you don't like the way it is being done, or Kebele are doing things, put your energy into creating alternatives and not complaining about those who are trying.
ok, three people already have voiced their extreme concern for the climate but are put off by Kebele... START YOUR OWN GROUP. fucking amchair activists will always look for reasons not to get involved. Kebele is a BUILDING. during BRT it is usually empty apart from the meeting anyway. jeez, what's the problem?
BRT seems to be the only group in Bristol taking direct action on climate change issues. If we're to do anything about climate change we need 100 groups fighting in every city. Not one big "mass" group. Mass politics dilutes, disempowers, and destroys dissent.
As for Kebele, it seems to be going in the right direction these days. They're more outward-looking and offering far more events which benefit the local community. seems like there's a lot of non-specific slagging off of kebele on here. bitter sectarians maybe? Name another free venue (that doesn't sell alcohol)?
PS David - get over it, you're not part of BRT. No amount of slagging it off is going to distract from the reasons you're not part of it.
Green, if that is what you really are? get real, get very real, get serious, get very serious, this is not a party!
Do you fully understand what is necessary in terms of change for life on earth to continue in the future?
Hi DIY,
Please ENLIGHTEN me with the REASONS why I should be excluded from BRT or have you lost your grip on the meta-narrative?
If I'm your enemy then George Bush is a really nice guy.
Love,
Climate Camping and Tantric Sex to all at BRT
X David
Man-made Global-warming is the biggest issue of all time!
Kebele-istas do not take it anything like seriously enough.
Check the related link.
At the very least they are naively ignorant of the seriousness of the current environmental situation, at worst they are corrupt, or could it be they are just stupid?
How else do you explain what is contained within the related link?
Kebele activists, for whatever reason, cannot be trusted with anything so serious.
Wow!
Not only are you lot guilty of sexing up your own ideas and notions as to what CC is all about! (Read the real science not the hype) but you could not organise a proverbial p*ss up in a brewery.
Your constant bleating about a catastrophe just around the corner has and does let people see you for the needy nerds you are. You have made CC your new "religion" and the gut feeling of most is that your fanaticism is misplaced.
If you really want to be sidelined in the adult debate on the problem I suggest you carry on exactly as you are on here. Namely:-
Overstating the problem
Arguing amongst yourselves
Alienating the vast majority of the population
Ignoring sensible debate because you truck no dissenters!
Well done guys!
You really have been - really well done.
And you did it all by yourselves!
I have only one request that I ask of people reading these comments - come to kebele youself and make your OWN mind up, don't simply take the word of anonymous posters......
See www.kebelecoop.org for details about whats on, or look at the calender on indymedia.
As for 'kebele can't be trusted to put on an event like this' ..... I don't want to get on my high horse TOO much but we have put on a lot of events that needed a lot more 'trust' than this, very succesfully, and will continue to do so :-)
Kebele rents out space to anyone with a good heart and good intentions (including those who organise bike rides in far away places to raise money for the terrence higgins trust!), so the G8 action group would be more than welcome if they chose Kebele as a venue. If not - good luck and solidarity anyway, and I'm sure a lot of us Kebelians as individuals will still be involved (whether the anti-Kebele mob like it or not!)
of course kebele has "credibility problems", doesn't everyone and every group? kebele is a space for people to use, not a campaigning group itself. I doubt the "credibility" of flying to the other side of the world to fundraise for THT, of course THT and everyone should be concerned with the environment and the mess we've got ourselves in. On the other hand, I'm sure THT would doubt the "credibility" of other groups who don't encourage an awareness of sexual health. Engagement is good.
As for BRT, should they refuse to use Kebele because one person (who is definitely not part of the usual kebele crowd) put an event on there that involved flying? What other venues are there? Let's see, should they meet in the council house? nope, far too expensive. Never mind the numerous business meetings held there.
How about a Church? Well, apart from the fact that the minister has probably taken more flights in the last year than the entire kebele core combined, where should I start on the problems religion has caused?
Get a grip. Be critical, of course.
But what are you doing? Switch off your computer and get down to some real politics, face to face, eyeball to eyeball.
It is profoundly depressing to see people, who, give or take a little, broadly agree, spending so much energy attacking fellow travelers. One of the few advantages of the world being in such a mess is there is no shortage of opportunities for action. There exists more than enough people, approaches, tactics and energy for everyone to take on the issue of climate change in the best way they see fit – and what's more they don't need to rubbish other groups to take action – nobody has a monopoly on global warming campaigning.
The time spent writing a post to complain at one group, is time that could be spent organising a new group. Words spent rubbishing one individual are words that could be spent making a new alliance.
See Mr.Hammond rubbing his hands in glee at people who care about the environment slugging it out with each other? What a great use of our energy, Not.
For the record, I went to the event hosted by Kebele on Tuesday night on Oaxaca, it was a very well attended affair with loads of good information and a great vibe; a room crammed full of people committed, with many different approaches apparent, to positive social change. Credit to Kebele for that event.
Kebele is only, and will only ever be, the sum of those to take part. One event you might not agree with is not the whole project, just as one person is not a group and one approach is not the whole issue.
I am an IT professional, I write the code for a company that produces computer games, there are millions of people, playing the games here in the first world, that I helped create.
Up until recently I thought of myself as an activist and an anarchist, and I would attend every protest and demo, meeting and action I could find.
Global-warming / climate-change is the BIG ONE as far as we should all be concerned, but its got me thinking about my own hypocrisy and parasitism.
My question is this: creating games for rich (by whole-world standards) consumers to waste time with playing games. how can I seriously call myself a part of the solution and get involved with campaigning against climate-change?
If I think about the amount of first-world time and energy thats goes into just the playing of 'my' games, I feel utterly hypocritical and even parasitic at the thought, should I stop calling myself an activist-anarchist?or should I give up my very well-paid job which pays my mortgage?
How can I seriously hope to influence anybody else about the dangers of global-warming whilst I am getting paid a lot of money for enabling loads of people consume massively?
What should I do?
I would do anything to stop being the hypocrite and parasite I have become!
Hi Alan,
My advice is to remove yourself from the system that is causing Global Warming as much as possible but this is no easy thing to do! Our whole civilization for the past 500 years or so has been building up to this moment, so 'the system' includes just about every aspect of Western culture/modernity. That's: the way we think, the way we communicate, our relationships and how we exploit nature, the world and each other! I used to work in TV production but I would never go back to that because the media is so implicated in the present world system. All we can do is get together with like minded people and try to change the system but its not easy. Getting used to having less money and less 'stuff' is a good thing. I have found that 'less is more' because it frees you up to do better things with your time.
peace, David
Alternatively Alan - why not focus your talent on developing new technologies that will combat CC.
I know of lots of companies that do just that with great success. And we will see more of this in the near future.
Don't let the doom and gloom merchants of the "2-legs bad, 4 legs good" brigade stop you from putting your obvious talent to good use!
All they want to do is rip things down.
There is another far more adult and sensible option.
Try Googling Jeremy Leggett - a guy I went to college with.
He has worked for the oil Industry, then Greenpeace and now runs his own Solar Power Company.
He is not sitting on the sidelines like a child - he is using his expertise for the common good.
A good role model I would suggest.
Hi Alan,
Clive makes a good point. There is a clear choice facing all of us, right now. We can continue with the capitalist system and destroy the earth via Global Warming or we can invent new ways of living together. Capitalism is based on the unlimited exploitation of natural resources and people. The real cost of this exploitation is never included in the price, as money is just an abstraction. What is real is that we have 10 years (max) to end the present course of industrial modernity or we will have no future left on planet earth. So if you want 10 -20 years of making more money to pay the mortgage, stay in your job and live in 'Clive Hamond's
World' .... or join the growing numbers of people all over the world who seek the end of capitalism and the birth of a new civilization.
People who pretend you can make money out of Global Warming are evil.
all the best
David
David Rose - suggesting in no uncertain terms the destruction of the political system that has defeated fascism, and communism.
A system of government that fought for the right of individuals such as David Rose to be able to stand up and say what he does!
Reflect on your life expectancy, David had you been an "activist" in 1930's and 40's Nazi Germany or Post war Soviet Russia up until the inevitable decline and decimation of that deeply flawed system of government.
And whatever the deeply flawed rationale for the Iraq war - you cannot deny that Saddam was a truly horrific Dictator - just ask the Kurds and the Marsh Arabs!
And now David - we see your true colours!
How wonderful for you to admit at last to us all that your spiteful and flawed diatribe against vehicles with AWD is actually driven by your fear that in what is basically a meritocracy (I say basically as we still have Phoney Care as PM) - you would fail at the first hurdle!
At last with one sweeping statement on here we see that it is not the vehicles that you despise - it is the drivers of said vehicles because presumably, you see these as successful and you don't like success in other people do you?
You find it unsettling - even frightening I would imagine.
Hi Clive and Chris and all, thank you kindly both for responding to my posting.
The two of you have illustrated very clearly what an intellectual minefield "going green" can become.
I am obviously very new to this green awarenes/consciousness thingy, (to my shame), but I would like to make up for lost time if possible.
If my understanding is correct, my two options are:
1- Go low consumption, low, or no-tech, back to the land type sustainably growing my own food, and no mechanical transportation of any kind.
2- Go high, greener-tech. and carry on with business as usual, technical fixes are going to solve all future environmental problems.
If my perception is accurate then my choices are pretty clear, up to a point.
If my perception is wrong, please can somebody correct it?
Hi Alan
Firstly I would point out (tactfully - and this is rare for me!) that I think you are wrong to assume that there are just two distinct choices.
The silly doom and gloom merchants such as David Rose would try to convince you that we only have 10 years to live if we carry on as before.
Could I suggest that you read the adjacent threads were I point out that 35years ago the same group of "experts" were predicting we were all going to die of Global Cooling!
Well we are still here!
There are lots of recent publications stating that these doom and gloom merchants are overstating the problem. Individuals such as David Rose have by his own admission clearly stated that we need to destroy society as we know it.
And replace it with what exactly?
I quote
"We can continue with the capitalist system and destroy the earth via Global Warming or we can invent new ways of living together. Capitalism is based on the unlimited exploitation of natural resources and people. The real cost of this exploitation is never included in the price, as money is just an abstraction. What is real is that we have 10 years (max) to end the present course of industrial modernity or we will have no future left on planet earth. So if you want 10 -20 years of making more money to pay the mortgage, stay in your job and live in 'Clive Hammond's World' .... or join the growing numbers of people all over the world who seek the end of capitalism and the birth of a new civilization.
People who pretend you can make money out of Global Warming are evil.
So people like Jeremy Leggett who use there intelligence and dynamic personalities to develop green technology are "evil" are they????
Well according to David Rose they are!
And that is nonsense!
Because if Solar power can be improved and made more efficient - and that is happening every day! - then both we in the West and the "poorer" nations can benefit from clean energy.
So we will not have to live in the utopian Mud Hut society David Rose obviously wants. Neither will African nations be subjected to yet more poverty because David Rose and his cronies believe that being poor and without electricity is somehow good for them.
So what is my philosophy?
Be as "green" as possible.
We recycle as much as we can
My wife and I do not like airports so we do not fly much - we have caravan to holiday in the UK
I have a 4x4 to tow it safely. (so in David Roses’ eyes I am a Planet Destroyer!)
My vehicle that I use for towing is LPG powered
My caravan is British - built in Bristol and is made from natural wood in the main. Other cheaper caravans from abroad in the main are made from vast amounts of plastic - NOT good for the environment.
Lastly - keep an open mind!
Do your own research - man and animals have been influencing the earth’s climate from day one.
The herbivore that eats grass farts methane
Every aerobic being consumes O2 and excretes CO2. CO2 is absorbed by plants and converted to complex hydrocarbons via Photosynthesis.
So when you see the EU advocating the use of more Bio-diesel remember that the natural habitat in the world destroyed to grow the Soya crop to make the stuff to satisfy the numpty quota set by idiot politicians is irreplaceable.
The options are not either or.
David and the other numptys on here are guilty of “sexing” up the facts to enable them to pander to their prejudice.
hi,
i have been involved with bristol rising tide since i went to the climate camp last september, which was inspirational and a serious wake-up call for me personally. the group was set up as an attempt to bring back home the energy and engagement we found in the camp. its a small-ish group that is still finding its way, although we have been very active on several fronts. none of us is under any illusions about our own importance and power - the scale of the issue is massive. it has been interesting, difficult, inspiring and frustrating. lots of things we could have done better. maybe we would have done better if the people who posted criticisms had instead come to one of our publicly advertised meetings with their criticism and a proposal for a better way of doing things.
the next meeting is on june 4th at 7:30pm at kebele.
if the venue is a problem for some people then by all means set up another group and i will come to your meetings and events. i am not a kebele-ista, whatever that means. this is the only climate change direct action group in bristol that i know of.
besides there not being any other groups active on this front in bristol, also i like being part of the rising tide network. i have never been an environmentalist and im still not. rising tide groups share the perspective that climate change is a social issue that transcends the category of "environmentalism" because of its massive and wide-ranging impacts on every sphere of human life. and it is a huge social justice issue because it is caused predominantly by wealthy countries and individuals and the consequences will mostly be experienced by poorer nations and people.
the next climate camp will be near heathrow airport in london from august 14th-21st.
http://www.climatecamp.org.uk/.
i would invite everyone to come and get involved. we are all in this one together.
direct action equals .................. indirect communication?
if that is true, its no wonder that the majority in a country like this want nothing to do with those that use the tactic that is 'direct action'